Wednesday, 20 June 2012

The Collier/Bromily families.

1871 14 Whit Lane
Ann Cooper 49 widow b. Bolton
Richard 28 collier coal miner b. Pendleton
John 25 collier coal miner b. Pendleton
George 21 stone mason b. Pendleton
James 19 maker up or packer b. Pendleton
Mary 17 cotton weaver b. Pendleton
Elizabeth 14 cotton weaver b. Pendleton
Ann 9 b. Pendleton
Maria 7 b. Pendleton
Mary Bromiley mother widow 70 b. Bolton

possible death for Mary Bromley age 74 Salford MarQ 1875
I have not been able to track down probate for Mary.

1881 36 Whit Lane
Ann Cooper widow 59 b. Harrold Leigh??
George 31 no occupation b. Pendleton
Elizabeth 24 b. Pendleton
Ann 19 cotton weaver b. Pendleton
Maria 17 dress maker b. Pendleton

From probate 1887 Ann Cooper late of Lower Broughton road, widow died 10 Dec 1886 to George Cooper of Lower Broughton road, Gentleman the son £56 16s and 3d.

So sometime between 1881 and 1886 the family moved across the river to Lower Broughton road.
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MARY was the mother of Ann, it appears she was married to a Thomas Bromiley. So I looked for a marriage.
St. Peter Bolton
17 November 1823
Thomas Bromiley
Mary Collier
(no other information, taken from opc site)

If Ann's age on the census is correct she was born in 1822 before this marriage so she was Thomas's stepdaughter.

Going back to christenings at St Thomas Pendleton there is
28 September 1834 Elizabeth Brammeley
daughter of Thomas and Mary
Pendleton
miner

On the 1841 census there is also a Thomas Bromiley 15 ( so born between 1826-1822) living with the family on Whit Lane.
I think his christening might be an important clue.
From the opc site.
St Anne TOTTINGTON
c. 11 Jul 1824
born 18 Dec 1823
Thomas Bromley son of Thomas and Mary
abode PENDLETON
occupation miner

Who then had the connection to Tottington? I don't know that area at all. But it is some distance from Pendleton. It suggests a pretty strong tie to the area- possibly family still living in that area?
It also lets us know that the Bromiley family were living in Pendleton by 1823. As the coal mine was sunk in the 1820s I expect Thomas came to find work there. Both the names Bromiley and Collier are common.

There was someone else also living with the family Abraham Collier.
St. Anne Tottington
c. 16 Jun 1821
born 28 Nov 1819
Abraham Collier son of Abraham and Lissey
Long Houses
Miner

his parents married at St Peter Bolton 1 April 1816

AND was this Ann's christening?
St. Anne Tottington
c. 21 Sept 1822
born 20 Mar 1822
Ann Collier daughter of Mary Collier
New Hoils
weaver

The problem is that various birthplaces are given on the census for Ann - Bolton and Leigh are separate places but the Leigh might refer to a more local place name and not the parish of Leigh. She might also have been born elsewhere and christened after moving to Tottington. So it is possible that Abraham is a relative just not sure what.
Having looked again at the evidence with that of Abraham Collier I now believe that Ann was born at "Harwood Lee" which is between Bolton and Tottington - found using google map.
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Back to the census can we find out any more clues?
Lets look at son Thomas Bromiley first.

I have only managed to find him in 1861 Whit Lane
Thos. Bromley 37 collier b. Charlestown
Mary Bromley 38 cotton weaver b. Over Hulton

There is a death registered for Thomas Bromiley age 46 in Salford DecQ 1870
There is also a probate entry which I think is his.
1870 Effects under £50
Letters of administration of Thomas Bromley late of Lissadel-street Pendleton Beer retailer died 6 Nov 1870 to Mary Bromley of 29 Lissadel street the widow.

Then there is this extract from The Manchester Guardian Nov 17 1870
Special licensing sessions (Salford Town Hall)
The following beerhouse transfers were allowed :-
Robin Hood, Lissadel-street, from the administratrix of the late Thomas Bromiley to Mary Bromiley

and further down the same page
The following music licences were granted:-
Abraham Collier Royal Oak Whit Lane
(There is a photo online google 209 Royal Oak Whit Lane on Flickr site, it was demolished in the 70s)
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Now what about Abraham Collier?

1851 Whit Lane Miners Row
Abraham Collier 33 coal miner born Bolton
E (this page is badly damaged)

1861 53 Whit Lane
Abraham Collier 42 coal miner b. Torrington (should this be Tottington?)
Elizabeth 40 b. Bolton

1871 55 Whit Lane
Abraham Collier 52 Beerhouse keeper Leigh in Bolton
Elizabeth 50 b Bolton
Richard Isherwood boarder 12 monitor teacher b Pendleton

There is a death registered in Salford for Abraham Collier age 57 in JunQ 1875

I think possibly Abraham Collier married an Elizabeth Roscoe in Chorlton in 1843.

His probate entry is 1875 effects under £450 Abraham Collier late of 55 Whit Lane Beerhouse keeper died 11 May 1875 to James Hookham of Ivy Cottage Urmston Gentleman and James Henry Stringfellow of 32 John St Pendleton Joiner the nephew.
(I think the Stringfellow connection is through Elizabeth Roscoe? another Roscoe married a Stringfellow)

Also Manchester Times May 15 1875
leave was given to transfer licensed victuallers' licenses as follows
Royal Oak, Whit Lane, Pendleton, Abraham Collier to Noah R Stringfellow












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