Thomas Cooper b 1841

This is my neighbours line.

Thomas Cooper married Alice Booth reg. MarQ 1867 at St. George (1/167)

1871 2 William St.

Thomas Cooper 30 chofter? C born Pendleton

Alice 31 b. Eccles

Edward Booth 7 b. Pendleton

Richard Cooper 3 b. Pendleton

Elizabeth Cooper 2 b. Pendleton

Martha 7m b. Pendleton

1881 2 William St.

Thomas Cooper 40 labourer unemployed b. Salford

Alice 40 b. Eccles

Edward Booth 17 Drawer in cotton mill b. Salford

Richard Cooper 13 Reacher in cotton mill b. Salford

Elizabeth 12 b. Salford

Martha 10 b. Salford

Sarah A 8 b. Salford

Thomas 3 b. Salford

Mary A 2 b. Salford

1891 Strawberry New Road

Thomas Cooper 50 living on own means b. Pendleton

Alice 50 b. Flixton

Richard 23 belt weaver b. Pendleton

Elizabeth 22 cotton weaver b. Pendleton

Martha 20 gen. servant b. Pendleton

Sarah A 18 cotton weaver b. Pendleton

Thomas 13 b. Pendleton

Mary A 12 b. Pendleton

1901 334 Lower Broughton Road

Thomas Cooper 60 living on own means b. Pendleton

Alice 61 b. Eccles

Elizabeth 32 b. Pendleton

Martha 30 b. Pendleton

Mary Alice 22 teacher school b. Pendleton

Cooper Booth grandson 9 b. Pendleton

Dorothy ? 33 hospital nurse b. Ulverston

1911 334 Lower Broughton Road

Thomas Cooper 70 private means b. Salford

Alice 71 b. Eccles

Elizabeth 42 b. Salford

Martha 40 b. Salford

Mary Alice Rowe 32 b. Salford

William Edwin Rowe 38 clerk at Engineers b. Salford

George Cooper Rowe 5 b. Salford

Cooper Booth 19 improver? at Electriacl engineers b. Salford

The house had nine rooms.

Thomas and Alice had been married 45 years. Alice had nine children of whom 3 had died.

Alice possibly died DecQ 1911 age 71 Salford

Thomas possibly died JunQ 1915 age 74 Salford

Probate 1915

Thomas Cooper of 334 Lower Broughton-road Salford died 27 April 1915 to Martha Cooper spinster and William Edwin Rowe manager at an engineering works. £46,247 12s

Probate of son Thomas 1917

Thomas Cooper of 6 Hampden-street Salford died 7 June 1917 to Martha Cooper spinster and William Edwin Rowe manager at an engineering works. £1041 13s.

Probate of son Richard 1924

Richard Cooper of 6 Laburnum-terrace Broughton Salford died 10 Sept 1924 at Royal Infirmary Manchester to Ada Cooper widow. £1175 15s 10d

Probate of daughter Elizabeth 1925

Elizabeth Cooper of 334 Lower Broughton-road Salford, spinster died 25 April 1925 at 45 Woodfield-road Blackpool to Martha Cooper spinster and William Edward Rowe formerly an engineer's manager £12432 5s 4d.

Probate of daughter Martha 1940

Martha Cooper of 334 Lower Broughton Road, spinster died 21 Jan 1940 to William Edwin Rowe retired manager and Cooper Booth electrical instrument maker. £19074 16s 2d

Probate of son in law William 1950

William Edwin Rowe of Lower Broughton road died 1 Dec 1950 to Alice Cooper married woman £1149 12s 11d

Probate of daughter Mary 1962

Mary Alice Rowe of 17 May Road Swinton widow died 21 Jan 1962 at Colwyn Bay Hospital to George Cooper Rowe assistant storekeeper and Alice Cooper (wife of Leslie Cooper)

£14955 10s 6d.

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My neighbours line

Richard Cooper married Ada Hutchinson 1899 St Paul, Pedleton (5/122)

1901 55 Whit Lane

John Hutchinson 56 widow miner coal hewer b. Manchester

Richard Cooper 33 Beer retailer pub. b. Pendleton

Ada 25 b. Pendleton

Alice 1 b. Pendleton

Margaret Castile 13 domestic serv b. Manchester

1911 38 Whit Lane

Richard Cooper 43 private means b. Pendleton

Ada 35

Alice 11

Elizabeth 9

Thomas 7

Minnie 4

Martha 2

Walter Hutchinson 28 boarder

All born Pendleton.

Richard and Ada had been married for 12 years and had 5 children all living.

Update

Ken visited Agecroft cemetery and the Cooper grave.

From the headstone buried there are

Martha (Pat) 1950

Richard Cooper 1924

and Ada Cooper 1949

Family trees online.

There are several family trees online on Ancestry. Especially good one is The Jensen Family Tree.

Bromiley buildings.

Will come back to this latter.

Richard + Ann family

Richard and Ann christened their children at St Thomas the details are on opc site. Maria's is not online yet.

(married 17 Aug 1840 Eccles)
THOMAS COOPER c. 31 Jan 1841
RICHARD COOPER c. 1 Jan 1843
JOHN COOPER c. 20 April 1845
JAMES COOPER c. 1 Aug 1847
                               buried 20 Sep 1850
GEORGE COOPER c. 23 Sep 1849
JAMES COOPER c. 23 Now 1851
MARY COOPER c. 12 Mar 1854
ELIZABETH COOPER c. 20 Jul 1856
JAMES COOPER c. 22 May 1859*
ANN COOPER c. 28 April 1861
Maria Cooper

all the entries follow the same pattern
child of Richard Cooper and Ann
abode Pendleton
occupation collier

*I think this may have been Joseph rather than James.
Using the Lancashire BMD site there are births registered in the correct year under Salford, Pendleton for all the children above except for 1859 when there is a birth for Joseph Cooper but not a James.
Deaths are not online on this site yet for Salford. But the freebmd site has a death for Joseph Cooper in Salford in 1859.

The Collier/Bromily families.

1871 14 Whit Lane
Ann Cooper 49 widow b. Bolton
Richard 28 collier coal miner b. Pendleton
John 25 collier coal miner b. Pendleton
George 21 stone mason b. Pendleton
James 19 maker up or packer b. Pendleton
Mary 17 cotton weaver b. Pendleton
Elizabeth 14 cotton weaver b. Pendleton
Ann 9 b. Pendleton
Maria 7 b. Pendleton
Mary Bromiley mother widow 70 b. Bolton

possible death for Mary Bromley age 74 Salford MarQ 1875
I have not been able to track down probate for Mary.

1881 36 Whit Lane
Ann Cooper widow 59 b. Harrold Leigh??
George 31 no occupation b. Pendleton
Elizabeth 24 b. Pendleton
Ann 19 cotton weaver b. Pendleton
Maria 17 dress maker b. Pendleton

From probate 1887 Ann Cooper late of Lower Broughton road, widow died 10 Dec 1886 to George Cooper of Lower Broughton road, Gentleman the son £56 16s and 3d.

So sometime between 1881 and 1886 the family moved across the river to Lower Broughton road.
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MARY was the mother of Ann, it appears she was married to a Thomas Bromiley. So I looked for a marriage.
St. Peter Bolton
17 November 1823
Thomas Bromiley
Mary Collier
(no other information, taken from opc site)

If Ann's age on the census is correct she was born in 1822 before this marriage so she was Thomas's stepdaughter.

Going back to christenings at St Thomas Pendleton there is
28 September 1834 Elizabeth Brammeley
daughter of Thomas and Mary
Pendleton
miner

On the 1841 census there is also a Thomas Bromiley 15 ( so born between 1826-1822) living with the family on Whit Lane.
I think his christening might be an important clue.
From the opc site.
St Anne TOTTINGTON
c. 11 Jul 1824
born 18 Dec 1823
Thomas Bromley son of Thomas and Mary
abode PENDLETON
occupation miner

Who then had the connection to Tottington? I don't know that area at all. But it is some distance from Pendleton. It suggests a pretty strong tie to the area- possibly family still living in that area?
It also lets us know that the Bromiley family were living in Pendleton by 1823. As the coal mine was sunk in the 1820s I expect Thomas came to find work there. Both the names Bromiley and Collier are common.

There was someone else also living with the family Abraham Collier.
St. Anne Tottington
c. 16 Jun 1821
born 28 Nov 1819
Abraham Collier son of Abraham and Lissey
Long Houses
Miner

his parents married at St Peter Bolton 1 April 1816

AND was this Ann's christening?
St. Anne Tottington
c. 21 Sept 1822
born 20 Mar 1822
Ann Collier daughter of Mary Collier
New Hoils
weaver

The problem is that various birthplaces are given on the census for Ann - Bolton and Leigh are separate places but the Leigh might refer to a more local place name and not the parish of Leigh. She might also have been born elsewhere and christened after moving to Tottington. So it is possible that Abraham is a relative just not sure what.

Having looked again at the evidence with that of Abraham Collier I now believe that Ann was born at "Harwood Lee" which is between Bolton and Tottington - found using google map.
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Back to the census can we find out any more clues?
Lets look at son Thomas Bromiley first.

I have only managed to find him in 1861 Whit Lane
Thos. Bromley 37 collier b. Charlestown
Mary Bromley 38 cotton weaver b. Over Hulton

There is a death registered for Thomas Bromiley age 46 in Salford DecQ 1870
There is also a probate entry which I think is his.
1870 Effects under £50
Letters of administration of Thomas Bromley late of Lissadel-street Pendleton Beer retailer died 6 Nov 1870 to Mary Bromley of 29 Lissadel street the widow.

Then there is this extract from The Manchester Guardian Nov 17 1870
Special licensing sessions (Salford Town Hall)
The following beerhouse transfers were allowed :-
Robin Hood, Lissadel-street, from the administratrix of the late Thomas Bromiley to Mary Bromiley

and further down the same page
The following music licences were granted:-
Abraham Collier Royal Oak Whit Lane
(There is a photo online google 209 Royal Oak Whit Lane on Flickr site, it was demolished in the 70s)
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Now what about Abraham Collier?

1851 Whit Lane Miners Row
Abraham Collier 33 coal miner born Bolton
E (this page is badly damaged)

1861 53 Whit Lane
Abraham Collier 42 coal miner b. Torrington (should this be Tottington?)
Elizabeth 40 b. Bolton

1871 55 Whit Lane
Abraham Collier 52 Beerhouse keeper Leigh in Bolton
Elizabeth 50 b Bolton
Richard Isherwood boarder 12 monitor teacher b Pendleton

There is a death registered in Salford for Abraham Collier age 57 in JunQ 1875

I think possibly Abraham Collier married an Elizabeth Roscoe in Chorlton in 1843.

His probate entry is 1875 effects under £450 Abraham Collier late of 55 Whit Lane Beerhouse keeper died 11 May 1875 to James Hookham of Ivy Cottage Urmston Gentleman and James Henry Stringfellow of 32 John St Pendleton Joiner the nephew.
(I think the Stringfellow connection is through Elizabeth Roscoe? another Roscoe married a Stringfellow)

Also Manchester Times May 15 1875
leave was given to transfer licensed victuallers' licenses as follows
Royal Oak, Whit Lane, Pendleton, Abraham Collier to Noah R Stringfellow

Whit Lane

There is still a Whit Lane today but the area was redeveloped.

It lies at the bottom of a hill and is near the River Irwell.

I am not sure about the following but I think the first industrial development was a cotton mill notorious for using child slave labour - the owner of this William Douglas died in 1810 (from information board along River Irwell walk) hence the local name Douglas Green. The coal mine was sunk in the 1820s. St Thomas Church was at the top of the hill, at that time it was a chapel of ease - thats where they went to church, could have their children christened but could not marry there. They had to go to the mother or parish church which was Eccles. Thats about a 50 min walk. Whit Lane in the early 1800s would have been a separate settlement surrounded by countryside. Its about a 40 min walk into Manchester.

As the population of Salford rapidly increased more churches were built. I love the following sites- genuki and the "Lancashire Online Parish Clerk Project" you can find lovely photos of the churches and info. St Thomas was rebuilt 1831 and a more local church St Georges was built on Whit Lane in 1858.

Registers for local churches are available on film at Manchester Library and from their lists it would appear that marriages for St Thomas began in 1839, hmm wonder why they went to Eccles then?

There is a brilliant site being developed with old maps of Manchester/Salford, on some of them you can just about see the Whit lane area (I think the earliest one was the Bartholomew 1870) it gives you an idea of what the area was like. And of course you can see the area today using google maps. The old maps can be found at http://manchester.publicprofiler.org (found through a posting on the rootschat site).

Richard Cooper from Darwen

We have very little information about Richard Cooper.  We know that he married at Eccles in 1840, that he was a coal miner, his father (from marriage) was also called Richard Cooper a farmer and that in 1841 he was living on Whit Lane with his wife's family.

The family are missing from the 1851 census which is not surprising as these records for the area are damaged.

However the 1861 census gives us another clue. (This one is difficult to read)

52 Whit Lane

Richard Cooper 47 collier coal miner born LOWER DARWEN

Ann 39 born Heywood?Lee?* correction pointed out by Ted

Thomas 20 cotton cloth bleacher ? born Charlestown

Richard 18 collier coal ? born Charlestown

John 16 collier coal ? born Charlestown

George 11 cotton cloth bleacher ? born Charlestown

Thomas 9 cotton cloth bleacher ? born Charlestown

Mary 7 born Charlestown

Elizabeth 4 born Charlestown

Mary Bromley lodger widow 60 proprietress of houses ? Harwood ? Ley?*

(*is this Leigh?)

In 1871 Ann is a widow so Richard probably died between 1861 and 1871 possibly one of the deaths registered in Salford in either SepQ 1863 or DecQ 1864.

I have not been able to track down a christening for Richard born sometime between 1810 and 1820, but from previous research about the  Darwen area that too is not surprising - it was an area of dissenters at a time of unrest with people moving about.

As Ted has pointed out the age of Richard does not match to the 1841 census where he is "20", but the common rule in that census is that adults ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years so that would suggest he was aged between 20 and 24 so if he had said 24 that would make a 3 year difference by 1861. The fact that they gave an exact age for Ann in 1841 also shows variation in how the census was carried out. My feeling about this census is that it was the first time that they had undertaken such a detailed one, how accurate it is depended partly on who the enumerator was - in rural communities he probably knew all the families he was writing about whereas in urban communities they were probably unknown to him. I have read that some of the enumerators were unhappy when they were doing the job because there was more work than they thought and the pay was low so how conscientious an enumerator was must also have played a part. Again too as I understand it the enumerator collected the information from the households then that was copied up - so who gave the information from the household? in this case was it Thomas Bromiley, perhaps he gave the wrong age for Richard, perhaps he guessed. He would have more likely known the exact age of his "daughter". In the 1861 census can we assume that it was Richard himself who was giving the information and that this is more likely to be his age? So all in all there are many errors in census information so a mismatch of some information can be accepted. 

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However, it could be that Richard has a sister.

At that time people from Darwen had to travel to Blackburn to marry in the parish church.

St Mary Blackburn - marriage 12 Apr 1841

William Yates X labourer (father George weaver)

MARIA COOPER X (father RICHARD farmer)

witnesses no help

This Maria was also christened at St Mary Blackburn

19 Feb 1815 Maria Cooper daughter of Richard Cooper and Mary

abode Over Darwen, Farmer

I have not found a marriage between Richard Cooper and Mary.

In 1841 the newlyweds were living in Darwen with

James Cooper 43 labourer

Alice 45

Henry 9 Collier

William 6

William Yates 26 Publican

MARIA YATES 24

What connection is James Cooper?

There is another tie in to this family which suggests to me that Richard Cooper from Whit lane kept in contact with family in the Darwen area - 

Darwen St John marriage 28 Sep 1875

John Cooper 32 collier, bachelor of Pendleton, father Richard collier

Margaret Ann Yates X 32 weaver spinster of Sandhill father William Quarryman

witnesses Amos Bentley and Hester Bentley

so Richard's son married Maria's daughter

Ted has also spotted that this age does not match up with John's age elsewhere, will look at this again later.

1871 Bolton Road, Over Darwen

William Yates 57 widow Quarryman

Alice 26 Cotton weaver

Esther 24 Cotton weaver

George W 23 cotton weaver

Margaret A 29 cotton weaver

Betsy 16 domestic servant

Thomas 14 cotton weaver

George R. 7 grandson

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Now the following is PURE SPECULATION - it is most likely not true but I shall put it on here anyway as one possibility - from Jimmys research I had a possible family 

Richard Cooper 1765-1828

Betty Duxbury 1763-1811

possible children (no marriage has been found )

Thurston Cooper 1783

William Cooper 1785

Betty Cooper 1787

Joseph Cooper 1789

Benjamin Cooper 1789

Betty Cooper 1790

Richard Cooper 1793 - 1822

James Cooper 1798

George Cooper 1804

Joseph Cooper 1809

Could Richard and Maria be the children of Richard Cooper 1793-1822?

Could the James that Maria lived be this Richards brother and so be her uncle?